gsuberland
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Unless I'm missing a bunch of settings somewhere that can improve the situation, the timeline editor has a number of quirks that make it quite difficult to work with when making shows that need synchronisation to beats (i.e. set BPM in File -> Show Properties) rather than seconds.
The first issue is that the beat numbers at the top of the timeline are shown as if they are minutes and seconds, so the 60th beat is marked as 1:00, and the 120th beat is marked as 2:00, which is unhelpful if you're working on a 128bpm or 174bpm track. Is there a way to change this so that just beat numbers are shown without being formatted, incorrectly, as minute/second time values? If not, can this feature be added?
The second (and arguably more important) issue is that the timeline's grid lines get drawn at intervals of 5, 10, 25, etc. which does not fit to music at all as beats are usually divided into 4/8/16/etc. instead. This makes the timeline quite frustrating to work with in beat synced shows, because when zoomed out you often can't snap events to beats properly. For example, when the timing interval at the top is 25 beats (i.e. 00:25, 00:50, 01:15, 01:40, etc.), each grid interval shown and snapped to represents 2.5 beats. This means you have to zoom back in to a level where there the intervals represent integer numbers of beats so that you can snap events to the right times. It would be extremely helpful if there was a way to make the timeline grid intervals switch to base-2 rather than base-10, so that grid interval lines would be shown on every 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. beats. This could either be an option in the settings or just something that happens automatically when you choose to show measure time in BPM rather than seconds.
These issues were brought up a few times already by other customers:
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/beats-per-minute-question.1543/
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/wish-list-for-new-timeline-features.1534/
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/bpm-in-the-timeline.17060/ (suggestion in reply was to manually add markers for every 4th beat, which is horribly tedious and not very useful)
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/timeline-with-bpm.12523/
I'd appreciate it if the devs could work on getting these issues fixed, since it's been a problem for quite a few years now.
The first issue is that the beat numbers at the top of the timeline are shown as if they are minutes and seconds, so the 60th beat is marked as 1:00, and the 120th beat is marked as 2:00, which is unhelpful if you're working on a 128bpm or 174bpm track. Is there a way to change this so that just beat numbers are shown without being formatted, incorrectly, as minute/second time values? If not, can this feature be added?
The second (and arguably more important) issue is that the timeline's grid lines get drawn at intervals of 5, 10, 25, etc. which does not fit to music at all as beats are usually divided into 4/8/16/etc. instead. This makes the timeline quite frustrating to work with in beat synced shows, because when zoomed out you often can't snap events to beats properly. For example, when the timing interval at the top is 25 beats (i.e. 00:25, 00:50, 01:15, 01:40, etc.), each grid interval shown and snapped to represents 2.5 beats. This means you have to zoom back in to a level where there the intervals represent integer numbers of beats so that you can snap events to the right times. It would be extremely helpful if there was a way to make the timeline grid intervals switch to base-2 rather than base-10, so that grid interval lines would be shown on every 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. beats. This could either be an option in the settings or just something that happens automatically when you choose to show measure time in BPM rather than seconds.
These issues were brought up a few times already by other customers:
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/beats-per-minute-question.1543/
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/wish-list-for-new-timeline-features.1534/
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/bpm-in-the-timeline.17060/ (suggestion in reply was to manually add markers for every 4th beat, which is horribly tedious and not very useful)
* https://forums.pangolin.com/threads/timeline-with-bpm.12523/
I'd appreciate it if the devs could work on getting these issues fixed, since it's been a problem for quite a few years now.
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